As a European, having spent
some time among others
interested in buying silver
(both online and offline),
the biggest concern I hear
is VAT.
Everybody is discussing how
they are closing the
opportunity to buy legal
tender silver coins at 0%
VAT rate from Estonia on the
31st of dec 2013. The next
best option stays Germany
who currently poses a 7% VAT
on the same coins. Now I
myself didn't feel the need
to hold my metals in my
hands and opted for
Goldmoney to do my physical
silver purchases. Obviously
taking advantage of the
silver price move as a
private person can be done
VAT free also by buying the
Sprott physical silver trust
or the silver product of ZKB,
but I felt Goldmoney
provided more privacy than
my transactions going
through a brokerage firm.
Since then I have also
opened a futures account for
trading purposes, and began
to study futures. And one
question kept me bothering.
Why does no one talks about
using a futures account to
buy WITHOUT any margin?
Nobody forces people to use
the future contracts for
only trading on the highest
possible margin. You could
simply buy a mini 1000ounce
contract that you have fully
covered (actual silver
price*1000 is in your
account) if you never have
the intention of taking
physical delivery. No one
ever mentions this as a
solution among the above. I
am curios why? Am I missing
something obvious here? It
also seems cheaper than any
of the mentioned other
options.
Comment: Yes, I have
mentioned it but probably
not often enough. Since you
are a paid member log into
the Members Only section and
read the report-- Taking
Delivery Off the Exchange.
Far right hand side of the
site under the Special
Reports/Bonus Material. It
is four up from the bottom.
The other thing that often
arises in discussions
against all these 'holding'
options besides not being
able to touch ones metal, is
that in a private sales
situation coin and bullion
products have a markup price
to actual metal spot price.
(But even if one believed
fully in this there is the
option of renting ones own
vat and customs free vault
space and storing physical
bullion there from a
supplier like the Guernsey
Mint, or Geiger-Edelmetalle
or even take physical
delivery from Goldmoney
although that is limited to
1000ounce bars I believe).
However I don't really
understand this argument, as
if I remember correctly I
have heard, that at or near
the top of the last bull
market if you wanted to sell
the only place where you
could get the spot price for
an ounce of silver was the
futures exchange. If you
would have walked in with a
silver eagle to a coin
dealer when silver spot
price was 50$ you would have
received something like 30$.
Now when there is such a
huge difference, then I
don't believe one could
easily find a private buyer
for much more than that 30$,
let alone 50$. Am I wrong
here?
Comment: I want to be
crystal clear here-- from my
experience ALL the dealers
in Los Angeles had "bid
back' to about $35 per ounce
on the day silver hit $50.
So, from me being there--
Yes!-- but I cannot verify
that was TRUE everywhere,
although from what I have
determined it appears almost
everyone of size had reduced
the buy price for physical.
-- For a very limited time.
Where as if the Sprott, ZKB,
Goldmoney options existed
back then you could have
sold your silver for actual
spot price. The only
possible option for getting
the spot price back in the
day would have been using
the fully paid for futures
contract technique I
described earlier if I
understand things correctly.
Still yet again there is no
mention of doing this
anywhere. Could you let me
know why this might be? Is
there a flaw in my thinking?
Thanks!
Comment: The reason the
dealers bid back was simply
the market was so HOT and
moving so fast they did not
want the risk!! So they
said-- if you want to sell--
this is all I can offer. As
you know all markets are a
bid/offer process! The only
"flaw" is that perhaps you
assume you could have picked
the one day. Yes- it was a
one day event. This time
there are many other options
to lock in prices, again
assuming the paper markets
are not locked up. Options,
ETP's, Futures, Double short
funds, and others.
In summary- Always you are
in charge of your decisions.
Still I think some silver in
hand is a good idea, but
having the rest held in a
manner that can be sold
quickly can make sense.
Taking silver off the
Exchange is about the
cheapest way to do so, and
yours truly did so on the
mini contract taking about
3000 ounces off at the 2008
bottom very near the $9.00
level. Had the bars shipped
to a mint and pressed into
1/2 rounds bearing the
Silver-Investor.com logo.
Thought I might sell them
since the premium was the
other way (paying much more
than spot) at the time.
Around $13.50 per ounce. I
decided against making any
sales but do hand these out
from time to time at my
speaking engagements.
Thanks for writing--
David